Legislature(1999 - 2000)

05/04/1999 03:35 PM Senate STA

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                     SJR 24-KOSOVO CONFLICT                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to adopt CSSJR 24 in lieu of the original                                                                  
bill.  There being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBERT KROGSENG, staff to Senator Taylor, sponsor of SJR 24,                                                                
made the following comments.  SJR 24 will let members of the Armed                                                              
Services know that Alaskans support them in their efforts to bring                                                              
a halt to the atrocities being carried out by Milosevic.  CSSJR 24                                                              
acknowledges the bravery and sacrifices of all military forces and,                                                             
in particular, those military men and women who are Alaskans or are                                                             
stationed in Alaska.  While some may not agree with the methods                                                                 
being used to accomplish the goal of the NATO Alliance, we support                                                              
our military men and women who are being asked to participate in                                                                
this conflict and courageously place themselves in harm's way.  The                                                             
committee substitute does not contain language referring to the                                                                 
POWs as it is no longer applicable due to their release.   He urged                                                             
the committee's support of CSSJR 24.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN noted some members of the public view this resolution                                                             
as endorsing the President's actions and are offended by it.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIRMAN WARD stated he has no problem supporting the Alaska                                                                    
military overseas anytime, however he is uncomfortable supporting                                                               
the language on page 2, lines 21-22, because he is not sure that he                                                             
supports NATO's actions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG stated the intent of the resolution is to support                                                                  
those "in the trenches," including troops from other NATO                                                                       
countries, not to support the decision to be involved.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD stated that Senator Stevens pointed out, after                                                                    
returning from Kosovo, that NATO is preventing the bombers, the                                                                 
majority of whom are American, from bombing the necessary targets.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG agreed, but said he still feels the Alaska Legislature                                                             
should provide support to the troops.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD maintained his support for American troops and said                                                               
that although he agrees with Senator Stevens, he disagrees with the                                                             
Senator's decision to publicly state that American troops are being                                                             
put under the misguided rule of NATO.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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MR. KROGSENG repeated that this resolution does not endorse NATO's                                                              
actions, it supports the combat troops involved.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN clarified that NATO is not at the top of the chain                                                               
of command and that no American serviceperson is taking command                                                                 
from one of the allied forces commanded by NATO.  He clarified that                                                             
American troops are taking command from US Armed Services'                                                                      
officers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD disagreed and noted that Senator Stevens expressed                                                                
concern that NATO is taking easy political outs in an attempt to                                                                
achieve its own political advantages to the detriment of American                                                               
soldiers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG stated he flew 230 missions in Viet Nam and could                                                                  
relate to the frustration experienced by American troops involved                                                               
in the current situation.  He added it is easier for the guy doing                                                              
the actual work knowing people support him even though they                                                                     
disagree with the overall policy.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD noted until now, NATO has been in a defensive                                                                     
position in its 50 year existence, therefore we are at a crossroad                                                              
in which foreign countries are dictating to American servicemen.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR WILKEN repeated American troops are taking orders from                                                                  
American commanders in consultation with the NATO Allied Forces.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD stated his understanding is the opposite; American                                                                
commanders are being held back from taking normal military actions                                                              
because of the NATO machinery which it cannot control.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN suggested the following amendment.  On page 1, delete                                                             
lines 8-10, and reword lines 11 and 13 to read:                                                                                 
          WHEREAS the armed forces of the United States are                                                                     
     currently participating in the campaign against Serbian forces                                                             
     in Kosovo to stop the ethnic cleansing activities; and                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
On page 2, lines 21 and 22, delete "of the military personnel of                                                                
NATO countries involved".                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In addition, SENATOR GREEN suggested removing the reference to                                                                  
President Clinton and Congress on line 23 and rewording the                                                                     
remainder of the sentence.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD said he would feel more comfortable including the                                                                 
Senator Green's suggested amendments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON stated he agrees with the sponsor's language for                                                                  
several reasons.  First, it is clear the resolution does not                                                                    
endorse the choices made by NATO or its command structure.  Second,                                                             
the resolution expresses clear support for the troops doing the                                                                 
job.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR GREEN moved to delete lines 8-10 on page 1, and to change                                                               
lines 11 and 12 to read:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          "WHEREAS the armed forces of the United States are                                                                    
     currently participating in the campaign against Serbian forces                                                             
     in Kosovo;"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
and change lines 20-23 on page 2 to read:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          "FURTHER RESOLVED that the members of the Alaska State                                                                
     Legislature express their heartfelt concern for the safety of                                                              
     the United States military personnel in the conflict, and of                                                               
     the refugees who are fleeing Kosovo;"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
and to delete the remainder of the sentence.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON objected to bring to Senator Green's attention that                                                               
if the concern is the implication that the United States is                                                                     
acceding control to NATO, the language on page 2, lines 23 - 25                                                                 
should be retained, because it says that final control of the                                                                   
mission ought to be in the hands of the President and Congress.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN said so many people disagree with President Clinton's                                                             
actions on this matter but that other language might be substituted                                                             
regarding a quick and peaceful resolution.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR ELTON agreed that many members of Congress disagree with                                                                
President Clinton on this matter but he emphasized the need to                                                                  
retain the language suggesting that the President and Congress work                                                             
as hard as possible to bring about a long lasting resolution.  He                                                               
added that if the resolution does not suggest that the President                                                                
and Congress do it, it could imply that NATO is the appropriate                                                                 
organization to find a resolution.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN agreed but said she did not know how to amend the                                                                 
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to amend Amendment 1 by deleting, on page 2,                                                               
line 1, the words, "of the military personnel of NATO countries                                                                 
involved in the conflict,".                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN was agreeable to Senator Wilken's amendment to                                                                    
Amendment 1 and said her concern was that no one think that the                                                                 
Alaska Legislature tacitly approves of the President's actions by                                                               
calling on him to continue those actions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 1 as amended was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR WILKEN asked whether Representative Don Young has been                                                                  
contacted about his votes last week on this issue in Congress.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG thought Senator Taylor spoke with Congressman Young                                                                
the previous week but was unaware of the discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN noted there is no need to send a copy of the                                                                     
resolution to Congressman Young since he voted against supporting                                                               
military activity last week.  He moved Amendment 3, to delete the                                                               
words on page 3, lines 7-8, "and the Honorable Don Young, U.S.                                                                  
Representatives, members of the Alaska delegation in Congress".                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON objected and again repeated that SJR 24 as amended                                                                
does not endorse the military action in Kosovo, it endorses the                                                                 
troops.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN maintained his motion to adopt Amendment 3 on the                                                                
basis that Representative Young voted against a similar resolution                                                              
in Congress on two occasions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether sending a resolution to Alaska's                                                               
congressional delegation is a matter of protocol.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON removed his objection, therefore Amendment 3 was                                                                  
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to send a copy of SJR 24 as amended to Colonel                                                             
Canolas, General Cash, General Cash, and the Adjutant General of                                                                
the Alaska Air National Guard.  There being no objection, the                                                                   
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to move CSSJR 24(STA) from committee with                                                                  
individual recommendations.  There being no objection, the motion                                                               
carried.                                                                                                                        

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